Life is Always Better Than it Seems: Embracing Fear and Living Courageously with Deb Chambers

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Life is short and we have today.

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So why not grasp today , with anything and everything that brings joy to not

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only myself, but to the people around me and for me, that's living in freedom.

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I've had riches I've , and today I don't, but it's not, about having enough money.

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, I've had million dollar homes on the rivers , that I built.

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I've owned resorts money.

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Doesn't give you freedom.

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People use that phrase and I understand where they're coming from, but we

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have to give ourselves the ability to feel and live with freedom.

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And that's living in the moment . . . And that takes courage.

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Welcome to a lone travelers guide to the divine podcast for

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empathic healers, dreamers, and seekers.

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This is Amanda Luxe and I'm the creator of the elevation hive school

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and community membership for energy medicine and dream work today.

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I'm recording this very special episode from Ceiba Puerto Rico, and

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I'm going to be, interviewing this amazing woman who I met here.

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Her name is Deb chambers.

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She is 63 years old.

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She's the project manager of this massive construction site where I am

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and I wanted to interview her today because , her story will blow your mind.

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She has been everywhere, done everything.

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She's just really a radiant being.

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We're here commissioned to make some, , large scale murals.

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And We're supposed to be going up on this electric lift that

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goes up 40 feet in the air.

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It's a four story building that we're painting three of them.

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And I, I have a fear of Heights and I'm a painter.

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But I have never painted anything.

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Large scale like this before my partner's painted plenty of murals.

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But I have never done this.

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So it's my first time.

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And when we first were invited to come to Puerto Rico for a month

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and paint these murals, I was like, wow, of course I want to do that.

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And it's an opportunity to raise awareness around the local ecology and

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endemic species that are endangered here.

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And the idea of getting up on a ladder that's four stories tall, or an

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electric lift even is just terrifying.

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And of course the lift is broken.

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Somebody stole the battery out of it.

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We haven't been able to get it fixed.

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And it's just been an amazing adventure so far, but the lift hasn't been working

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so we haven't actually been able to go up and start these murals yet.

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There've been a lot of moments on this trip where I just felt

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like I can't control anything nothing's going in the right way.

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Everything's changing from minute to minute.

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We don't know where we were staying from night to night.

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So.

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Really been learning so much about how to be fluid adaptable and positive.

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Just seeing how this woman, Deb models, these principles of living with

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positivity ease collaboration and, , fire to get things done, but patients

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and in this just impeccable balance.

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She taught me so much just in the last 48 hours since I met her about

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how to embrace fear and how to go with the flow when things are sort

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of chaotic and out of control.

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So I'm super honored to have Deb chambers as my muse and inspiration

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for conquering and embracing fear, being adventurous and brave in life.

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She just, uh, it's a great interview.

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So I hope you enjoy her story and then I'll have Deb share a little bit as

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well about how, how she works with her dreams in a very unique and special way.

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Life is better.

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than it seems I, uh, by the way, I am Deb, I had the privilege of being

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introduced to elderly people, starting at the age of four, who showed me

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that life was better than it seems.

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So at this time that I'm talking about, I was in foster care and they

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turned it around and opened my world from the negative into the positive

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of music and music, soothed my soul.

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I believe in the universe.

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I believe that there's, you know, you can call it in your higher power.

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You can call it God.

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But for me, it's my universe.

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And at a very young age, I was able to be held and have peace, just flow through me.

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Fear became my best friend because it's always better than it seems.

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So when there was a fright or something that traditionally would

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scare the shit out of you, uh, if you wrap your arms around it and take

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it with you, it creates a light and.

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That also brought me to my definition of failure.

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Failure is an opportunity to go a different direction with more

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knowledge and you're started with, and that's not negative.

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So that's how I, that's how I live my life.

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, fear.

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Um, cause my best friend, I always look for the bright side of things.

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I am not a stressful person.

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I can listen and talk to anybody from a CEO of a company or a streetwalker.

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Yeah.

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And for me they're all equal.

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I don't give them the layers that our society gives them.

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So that's kind of what I am.

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I just also wanted to mention.

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Deb is apparently the mayor in town, according to the locals at the bar

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last night, which was really fun.

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It was so fun to see you in your element and across the street from

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this little restaurant bar open, I don't know, what do you call that?

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It was a restaurant bar, but it's all open and it's right across from the

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water and there's this beautiful tree.

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And he said, oh, that's the tree that I slept under.

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When I first got here with my backpack or whatever.

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Right?

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You had some adventure getting here.

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You want to say something about that?

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Maybe nine years ago, 10 years ago, I went

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through a time in my life.

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Uh, that was from the world's point of view, extremely negative.

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I chose to go on a sabbatical because I was not going to be brought

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down to somebody else's level.

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And I didn't know where I was.

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So a lot of stories short.

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Um, I ended my sabbatical by coming to Puerto Rico and it was

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a three day, uh, adventure for me.

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. Um, I have, , a lot of hidden skills, , and I was able to help the, , the hospital

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that I was staying at, , with just minor things, but not only physically fixing

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fans and fixing doors, I was able to help young people with the resumes,

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helping them learn English, giving them a, uh, the encouragement, the.

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I love the universe, gave me a ability to love, and I can love anything in any one.

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Um, and I don't hesitate, you know, I'm very open so that, um, three-day

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weekend ended up being four months and I fell in love with Puerto Rico, but it

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wasn't the sites and the attractions.

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It was the people.

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And I said to myself, I committed that I would live here someday.

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So years later through the virus, um, the opportunity, again,

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arose that I could come here.

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So within two weeks I made the decision.

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I was here.

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It's an awesome place here.

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This won't be my forever home because I don't know that I'll ever have a

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forever home, but wherever I go, I, I become a part of the community.

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If, if somebody needs help, across the state or a continent,

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generally I can call somebody and say, would you help my friend?

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And it can be done.

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And I'm confident that it will be done.

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So, cause I of, oh yeah, that's

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wonderful.

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I just experienced, witnessing you in your sense of community

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and just how you were received.

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I think that the venue we were at last night, it seemed to me like it was

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all men, but everybody knew Deb and everybody loves Deb and they called

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her the mayor and we were like, wow, we struck gold with you because she's

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the project manager of this massive construction zone where we are.

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And that's going to be a beautiful, wonderful destination at seven.

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, but there is a lot of difficulties that we kept coming up against in order to

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do our project, but it was amazing to have you on our side cause you know,

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everyone and you could get things done and anyway, very impressive.

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So I, and just your attitude and your smile and your radiant

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way of being was just really, , something profound to behold.

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So other people could be exposed to that and your way, your way of viewing life

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and how you have created an unconventional life for yourself by making relationships

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with the people around you and having a positive outlook and not giving up.

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, again and again, when things maybe are hard externally, you seem to find a

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way of viewing it as an opportunity.

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Which sounds like you started with that at a very young age.

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So you've been practicing your whole life with that.

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And it's really, you can tell that it's a practice that you've cultivated that.

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And one thing that my friend Thea and I were discussing last night with

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was how you, , you have this way of, embracing freedom and living freedom.

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That's like that unattached way of being.

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And I think a lot of times there's a preconceived notion of what freedom means.

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That is like, oh, when I attain, , the time, the free time I'll feel freedom.

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Or when I, , get that a certain amount of money, or when I arrive

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at a certain amount of success, or when I have acquired these luxuries,

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then I will be free or something.

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But to me, what I really noticed is that the pain, the struggle, trying

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to make your way in the world, the sleeping on a floor for a month in

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Puerto Rico, with somebody you meet in this bar, which is like amazing

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that you would, make your way.

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And, that that's freedom and that there is some sacrifice in that, you know, in

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order to have freedom, you have to be willing to embrace fear to some degree.

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Right.

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So I decided, two weeks before I came to Puerto Rico to come

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to Puerto Rico, my company got closed.

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, I didn't look at it as, um, man.

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I'm what the fuck am I going to do?

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I looked at it, uh, what am I going to do?

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I had an opportunity.

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I got open doors.

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Where am I going?

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, I talked to my business partner who happened to be my youngest

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daughter, and I said, Sarah, I'm going to, I'm going to Puerto Rico.

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When are you going?

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I said, two weeks.

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So I ended up literally grabbing my backpack and my tote bag.

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, I flew up here, with no plans in my mind I thought that I

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would be living in San Juan.

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So because of that thought, I wanted to explore the island a little bit.

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I ended up in Luquillo and it was through there.

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I only stayed three days and I was going to go back to San Juan I'm out

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of gentlemen that, , he spoke , broken English, but he, was probably 78, maybe.

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We talked for over an hour and he convinced me I should go to Fajardo.

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So at the time I called it Fajardo

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yeah.

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I love that you arrived here, not even speaking Spanish.

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So, uh, I changed my plans.

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I had a hostel, I ended up in San Juan.

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I changed it.

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And I got an Airbnb in Fajardo.

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I got a, Uber driver, which was amazing in itself.

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So again, that's my universe and the woman says, well, where do I go?

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And I said, what?

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I just got a email that my Airbnb got cancelled . And I'm like, fuck say,

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I said, I don't know where I'm going.

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Sorry, I'm looking at my phone and say, oh, there's a dock cause

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I'm a water, but there's a doc just drop me off at the dock.

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So I get to the dock and you know, I got my bag and you

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know, it's just like, oh Lord.

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Um, and I'm watching all these bolts and fishermen and, um,

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the smells and the warmth.

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, I probably sat there for two hours and then it was like, I

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kind of find a place, you know?

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So literally there's nothing available to rent.

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Unless I want to pay $400 for a night.

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I don't have, I came here to three grand, that's it to my name.

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So I ended up texting my daughter and asking her for, , I

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wanted, I wanted a beer, , and I needed to go to the bathroom.

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And so she gave me the words for a beer and a bathroom.

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And then I'm talking with my hands and saying, you know, I'm showing him

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that guys, I don't know where to go.

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I don't know where to go to sleep.

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I put my hands up on my head, on my hands,

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So somehow Deb, you just manage to wander into the right

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place at the right time and you found your way, you were able to

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meet people and create community.

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How, how did you do that?

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I'm just so curious.

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How did you do that?

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the women that were working there, they ended up running

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out , into this crowd of people.

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They're all men, one guy, Jose, spoke English.

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So he came in fact he met him.

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So he came up to me and says, I'm he talks like this.

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I'm told, y'all need a place to stay.

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I said, I do.

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He says how long?

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I said, as long as I can.

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So he ended up getting a hold of another guy.

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He saw him.

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In fact, he was there last night and he gave me a place for her.

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, so for a week I tried to find another place and I finally, , , just gave up,

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but that doesn't mean that's not a nail.

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It was like, what are you doing, Deb?

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You know, you don't need, you don't need to stress about this.

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You know, it's gonna work out.

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So , once you let go, you allow there's, there's the freedom you let go, let go.

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And then what came in for me was I met this fishermen and you

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know, he's a character, and he said well , you can rent my room.

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And I said, what do you mean right?

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Your room?

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But it's literally a one room.

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with a bathroom and he has a twin bed.

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He says, I'll give you my mat.

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And he's literally a commercial fishermen.

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I'll give you my mat and you can run my mat for $150, , for

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the month done with them.

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So here's fear again.

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Uh, the one thing that I do not like is spiders.

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, and I'm on the floor and there's big spiders here and I've

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come face to face with them.

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And I still went to sleep at night.

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, I trusted that they would stay in their own space.

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So during this time I am working, my whole goal was to show the

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people that were around me.

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Trust me.

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, when I say I'm going to do something.

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And so my commitment is the strongest, my word, , integrity is big for me.

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My goal was to prove to the people, helping me, that they can

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trust me and I'll help them too.

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And for me, that's how I get to know people.

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So, you know, I worked in the marina, I loved it.

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I had no schedule.

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I learned very quickly, Puerto Rican time.

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They say going to pick you up at eight o'clock.

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It might be 10, might be 12.

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You know, you just go with the flow, so to speak.

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But I got where I just put a handmade goal and just wait in

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the hammock and waited for him.

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And then with the fishermen, I would go down.

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I never had a key for.

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To go in.

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He only had one key and he wasn't going to make one, so I'd have

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to wait for him to come home.

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And I go back to Racar and I get one beer.

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Then I'd go out on the, and sit down by the water and

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just be soothed by the waves.

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, in the morning I met all the walkers and we're talking early 5 30, 6 o'clock.

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I wanted to meet people.

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I met this one, one say, that's what I love about.

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They, they sing everybody sings.

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They're happy.

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They dance.

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, it's spur of the moment.

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, I can remember the first time I went to the grocery store, a market,

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and the woman behind the counter.

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All of a sudden my, my stuff has to put back down there and

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teach it, gets out just singin.

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And I just, my whole being just glowed, you know, nobody pitched

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door, you know, what are you doing?

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You know, everybody enjoyed it.

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And they, they say, that's what I love about Puerto Rico.

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You know?

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Ah, I love the people.

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I was going to say too, that it came up that, you know, how

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you must be so extroverted to like, be getting to know all these people

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and improvising and finding your way.

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What about the, what, what, what did the rest of us

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introverts do in that situation?

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I'm very shy.

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And when I am into a new arena, so to speak, , I bring my best friend though,

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my fear factor and I grabbed onto all the strengths that are within me.

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And in that I have confidence.

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And when you have confidence, you can continually walk forward and

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that's the key you don't stop.

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You just keep moving forward.

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There's a door shut, you know, just go the next one, turn around.

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Maybe you're in the wrong place altogether.

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And I've experienced all of that.

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And you have to, I follow my.

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My gut, my universe.

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I believe everybody knows when they're doing something

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that that's not good for them.

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Maybe it's, it's a, a new job or maybe they're in a job that

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they shouldn't be in my God.

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You gotta be there eight, 10 hours a day.

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If you don't like it, go away, go, go do something else.

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Don't allow fear to stop you from taking that leap to better yourself.

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Beautiful.

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Thank you.

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That's just excellent advice for life and clearly it's working for you.

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And, and the other thing I wanted to bring into this Deb was I wanted to

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invite you to share something about your relationship with dreams, because

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in this podcast, I love to talk about dreams and how, how dreams can be

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important and helpful guideposts in our life and why, how they can be valued.

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And interesting.

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And I know, you know, we were sitting at this restaurant last night, just

Amanda Lux: 00:21:47

having a good time talking and, you know, but the town mayor and, and

Amanda Lux: 00:21:54

my partner says you've got dreams.

Amanda Lux: 00:21:58

What's your dream relationship with dreaming and you had a good story there.

Amanda Lux: 00:22:01

So I wanted to invite, if you wanted to say anything about, how dreams

Amanda Lux: 00:22:05

have been a guidepost for you.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:08

I generally don't dream.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:10

Yeah.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:11

When I do dream, the, the universe is talking to me in a way that

Deb Chambers: 00:22:19

I will, uh, have the universe has my full attention when I'm.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:25

That's the simplest way for me to put it.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:27

And so sometimes it may be, um, think of a movie where you, you start a movie

Deb Chambers: 00:22:34

and then five minutes, um, into it, it stops and it goes to a commercial.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:40

I may only get that five minutes of my dream, but the next night I start over

Deb Chambers: 00:22:45

again to the point where that five minutes I will dream just that part of the dream

Deb Chambers: 00:22:52

until I know like the back of my hand.

Deb Chambers: 00:22:55

And then I get another segment and the different dreams that I've had.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:02

It's all about me meeting people.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:05

And I already know what I'm going to talk about.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:09

I know where I'm going to sit.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:11

I know the atmosphere, and it may take a week to two weeks.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:16

And when the dream stops, I know it's going to happen that

Deb Chambers: 00:23:19

day and I'm already thinking.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:23

And again, it's the universe because all of a sudden, you know, this

Deb Chambers: 00:23:26

particular one, I was going over to, , a person's house who I had never met.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:31

So I knew the house.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:33

I could tell you the colors.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:34

I knew where the couch was.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:35

I knew how this person was going to move here, which made me move over here.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:41

It was just in the flow of things, but I never met these people.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:46

And yet I already became best friends with them in my dream.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:49

So, I ended up coming out of a store.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:55

I ended up talking to somebody there.

Deb Chambers: 00:23:58

We started talking, we ended up having coffee.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:01

They invited me over to their house.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:03

They wanted me to be a part of this.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:05

It was a, it was a spiritual thing.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:07

And I said, yeah, I'll do that.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:09

And I get there and it's like, this is my dream.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:15

So I walked in.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:16

No.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:17

I mean, I, I, I ended up even crying because it became such a,

Deb Chambers: 00:24:24

I had nothing to do, but to praise my God for how he was using me.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:34

Yeah.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:35

Yeah.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:35

And so I have dreams such as that, that may be, I had a, I had

Deb Chambers: 00:24:44

a dream that I would be on this piece of property in Wisconsin.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:48

This piece of property, I didn't know anything about it.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:51

It turned out long story short.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:54

I was a property worth, $1.5 million.

Deb Chambers: 00:24:58

That's a whole nother story.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:00

I knew that I would be, I would be a part of that land.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:04

I just knew it was going to happen.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:06

And so when I, when I know, I know that I know it doesn't matter.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:10

Who tells me Deb, the crazy.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:12

No.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:12

No, not crazy.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:14

Yeah.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:14

That's all right.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:15

I mean, I've lost friends because I have blind.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:18

I am.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:18

And then I'm a dreamer.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:20

That's.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:20

That's how I would talk about who I am.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:23

I am a dreamer.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:24

Oh, I, but I dream about, I want to, I want to have horses up on the hill.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:32

I get to go look at six and a half acres of land over here.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:36

That's not from my doing that's the universe sayin'.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:38

All right, girl.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:39

You're on the right path.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:41

We're going to keep moving forward.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:42

Yes.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:43

So dreams, like I said, they don't happen to me all the time.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:48

It may be years and then it may be dozens of times within a year.

Deb Chambers: 00:25:56

So it's all about what I need to learn about a given situation

Deb Chambers: 00:26:01

from a universe point of view.

Deb Chambers: 00:26:05

Brilliant.

Deb Chambers: 00:26:07

So there's, there's Deb

Amanda Lux: 00:26:11

in a nutshell folks.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:13

And aren't you lucky to hear her talk about her dreams?

Amanda Lux: 00:26:18

What a dreamy life you live,

Amanda Lux: 00:26:36

It seems to have like you live in such a unique way and not all

Amanda Lux: 00:26:41

people in our current society, or even globally are willing to

Amanda Lux: 00:26:47

embrace different kinds of people.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:50

And to, to make that effort, to create community and to take those risks.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:57

And, uh, I'm just curious if you want to just speak to that at all.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:03

I, I am drawn to, , emotions where I can sense

Deb Chambers: 00:27:12

where people are struggling.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:14

And first and foremost, I put myself second in my life.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:22

My universe is number one, I'm second.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:27

And then it goes to my family.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:30

My friends work work is last because that too gives me the

Deb Chambers: 00:27:38

freedom to embrace everybody.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:43

That's around me.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:46

Thanksgiving dinners are a good example.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:49

I maybe walking this park every day and see this one particular

Deb Chambers: 00:27:52

person there every single day.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:54

I know they don't have any place to go.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:57

I just invite them over.

Deb Chambers: 00:27:59

You know, people worry about me.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:04

Um, oh my God, maybe they'll steal.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:06

Maybe they'll do this.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:07

Maybe they'll do that.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:08

And I said, well, then they must have needed it more than I do.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:12

And, um, yeah, but then again, it's, it's, it's back into fear.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:19

People are afraid to, there's a guy at recar here where everybody wanted me to

Deb Chambers: 00:28:24

stay away from him, stay away from him.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:26

I'm not gonna stay away from him.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:28

, we sit on the bench and we talk, , does he have, uh, things that people don't want.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:34

Absolutely.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:36

But I don't, I don't know why he didn't take a sheller.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:39

And even, even that, here I go for maybe a week with, I have no water

Deb Chambers: 00:28:45

running water, no electricity, none.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:48

Um, you don't know that, that I haven't taken a shower,

Deb Chambers: 00:28:52

uh, because I have no water.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:55

All you do is smell me.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:57

And I'm working in a construction site.

Deb Chambers: 00:28:59

So I'm, I'm there's days I'm filthy.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:02

If you met me on the street, you'd look at me and say, oh my God, why?

Deb Chambers: 00:29:06

Isn't why that woman taking better care of herself.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:10

But if you stop and you meet me, you understand, oh my God, I can't believe

Deb Chambers: 00:29:16

that the water has been out for a week.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:17

You know?

Deb Chambers: 00:29:17

Oh my God, my dishes are piling up and all you don't, you assume so.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:23

Again, it's, it's trusting your gut and, and not being.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:28

Fearful of something getting stuck.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:32

I stolen, you know, or, I mean, I've lost good friends because of my lifestyle.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:37

I, my lifestyle is not, they, I lose them because they're stressed for my life.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:44

And I say, why I'm not stressed or I'll, you know, I give them the Devin

Deb Chambers: 00:29:49

answer and say, oh, I'm so glad.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:51

Just stressed for me.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:52

I said, that just gives me the freedom to I'm going swimming today.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:55

I'm going swimming with the dolphins today.

Deb Chambers: 00:29:58

You know, I'm so glad you took my stress.

Deb Chambers: 00:30:00

I love life.

Deb Chambers: 00:30:02

And I'm down to the last third of my life in reality.

Deb Chambers: 00:30:07

No, no.

Deb Chambers: 00:30:08

And that's why I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Deb Chambers: 00:30:10

Um, and I'm not gonna let anybody take my life from me because I have

Deb Chambers: 00:30:21

my own walk, my own freedom and I, I'm just not willing to give.

Deb Chambers: 00:30:28

So I'll probably be single for a long time.

Amanda Lux: 00:30:54

So I just wondered if you would like to say any last words,

Amanda Lux: 00:30:58

Deb, about, just how one could live a life that is so guided and in sync

Amanda Lux: 00:31:06

and so in touch with freedom, the kind of freedom that you have cultivated

Deb Chambers: 00:31:14

life is short and we have today.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:18

So why not grasp today , with anything and everything that brings

Deb Chambers: 00:31:23

joy to not only myself, but to the people around me and for me.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:30

That's living in freedom.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:32

I've had riches I've and, and today I don't, but it's not, it's

Deb Chambers: 00:31:37

not about having enough money.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:39

I've had million dollar homes on the rivers that were, that I built.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:43

I've owned resorts money.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:46

Doesn't give you freedom.

Deb Chambers: 00:31:48

People use that phrase and I, I understand where they're coming from,

Deb Chambers: 00:31:53

but we have to give ourselves the ability to feel and live with freedom.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:01

And that's living in the moment has nothing to do with money.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:05

Money is great to use, to buy groceries or to go on a boat ride or to do whatever.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:12

And there's freedom of having your choices.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:15

I get freedom today where if I'm supposed to go on a boat

Deb Chambers: 00:32:20

ride, that's going to happen.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:22

Someone's going to come alongside to have you want to go on boat ride.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:25

Uh, fishermen comes into my life.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:27

Do you want to learn how to commercial fish?

Deb Chambers: 00:32:29

Absolutely.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:30

You know, I can, that's the freedom.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:32

I can do anything I want to do if I'm living in the moment.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:37

So if I'm working in, uh, a mechanic, doesn't show up, then

Deb Chambers: 00:32:42

it's not supposed to happen today.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:44

So I'm just going to turn around and work on something else.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:47

I'm not going to waste energy.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:50

That's going to take away my ability to enjoy the moment that I'm at.

Deb Chambers: 00:32:56

And to me, that's freedom.

Deb Chambers: 00:33:00

And that takes courage.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:02

Thank you.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:04

Oh my goodness.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:05

May we all cultivate that kind of courage and create a world where we

Amanda Lux: 00:33:10

can all live so free and so caring of ourselves and others in the

Amanda Lux: 00:33:16

moment to me, that's the ultimate self care, you know, to just stop.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:23

Hamster wheel in the brain and choose to not worry, to not stress, to not

Amanda Lux: 00:33:29

fret and to embrace the unknown and the fear, as you said, that takes courage.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:36

And, um, that's a beautiful thing and we might have to sleep with spiders

Amanda Lux: 00:33:44

to cultivate that kind of courage.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:46

There's a, you have to work to get that it's, doesn't come for free,

Amanda Lux: 00:33:52

but it doesn't take money to buy it.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:57

Yeah.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:58

Yeah.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:58

So thank you.

Amanda Lux: 00:33:59

Thank you so much though.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:15

Thank you so much for listening to this episode of A Lone,

Amanda Lux: 00:34:18

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Amanda Lux: 00:34:20

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It was such a pleasure to, uh, spend this time with Deb chambers

Amanda Lux: 00:34:57

doing this interview and just being here in Puerto Rico.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:00

And I just wanted to thank all of the people that we have met along the way.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:05

So many amazing individuals and for giving us this opportunity to be a

Amanda Lux: 00:35:12

part of this culture for a minute.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:14

it's such an honor to be in sacred community with you.