Ether and the Space Between Things

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If you think about our culture and you think about

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our resistance to death typically.

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, we have a little, you know, we have fear of death in our culture and at

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that is, I would say at the root of the fear of pausing in our lives.

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Like the same idea of slowing down, stopping being, still, being with

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the nothingness, doing the nothing like, I think that that's a little bit

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intimidating to many of us in our world.

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Like what happens if we're just still quiet and what.

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Will we have to hear

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?

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teacher, co-teacher of Polarity therapy, Kim Pinkley, and I'm so excited to

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have this conversation with Kim.

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It was inspired by multiple conversations we've had and just, it's also just

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a conversation that's in the field.

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Where the podcast has been, which is to say it's been on pause.

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So , we're gonna be talking about ether and the space between things today and

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what that means in the polarity paradigm, and also what that means just in life,

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and how we probably all use a little more ether, a little more space than we're

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getting so I wanna invite you, Kim, to introduce yourself and maybe a little bit

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about your work and the different facets of healing work that you have studied,

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and how these different perspectives have contributed to your journey with

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the ether and to your healer's journey.

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So good to be with you again.

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, thank you for inviting me to talk about this like really special

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subject that I feel doesn't get as much attention in our culture as I.

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I think we could use, more of this in our culture, this ether element.

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And just to give a little peace about who I am.

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, I have been studying the healing arts I say for 25 years, but really

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for as long as I can remember, I've been interested in how.

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to process my life in a better way.

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And I took the time to go and learn , polarity therapy and

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cranial sacral therapy and.

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Both of these modalities are a little bit of a hero's journey on their own

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to learn them because you get to go through your own healing process as you

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learn the teachings, as you experience the work, and this moment with you is

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very interesting to me because we're both kind of in a pause place in our,

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in our journey and being able to stop and just take a minute and digest.

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And rest with it and be able to talk with each other around.

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It just sounds like, you know, sounds so magical, So healing.

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So anyway, , I again, started this journey many, many, many moons ago, and I not

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only do this work in an office, I'm a practitioner, but I also share this work.

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I teach it to other people to learn how.

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For them to learn how to be practitioners and to take this

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into their own lives as well.

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I've had the great fortune of studying with a teacher , who walked with a

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medicine man from the Cree tradition and experience , these teachings

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through that filter as well, through this beautiful filter of how.

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ether and all of the elements show up in nature, and then in

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relation to your life as well.

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So just, you know, that's my daily day is to be in my office tuning

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into people and to their process and.

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Them find resolution to challenge and to consistently be related to

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how these teachings show up in nature and in my own life as a seeker.

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Mm.

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I

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love that.

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, we are here in the middle of teaching a polarity therapy course

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on the elements and embodying the elements and the chakras, that's

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why you flew here from Arizona and.

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And we're doing our third round of teaching here together

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in the Pacific Northwest

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on my family's land.

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And we're looking out over the water and because that's the context, I

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also wanted to invite you to just.

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, , just a little bit about what polarity is to you.

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Like what is polarity, what are the elements,

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What is ether even?

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Right?

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Hmm.

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That's one of my favorite questions, ? And I always, every single time I'm

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asked, I stumble on it because it's so.

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Dimensional this work and to just try and bring it down to

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a little bit of a nutshell.

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This polarity therapy is a very holistic healthcare system that relates to all

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of our bodies, our mental, emotional, physical, energetic, structural

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bodies tuning into the places where energy is not circulating optimally.

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Making relationship to those places, tuning that energy so that it can

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find its way into circulation and it can animate these bodies in a way,

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We can be fully expressed emotionally and physically and mentally out in our worlds.

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And one of the ways that we.

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With this energy is through the chakra system, and the five chakras

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are related to the five elements, and these elements would be ether

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and air and fire and water and earth.

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And each of these elements that are related to these chakras, they carry

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different qualities and they govern different parts of our lives and our

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bodies and different systems in our bodies, and they work independently and

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together consistently trying to create and sustain a balance that helps us

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be in that place of full expression.

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That's be.

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and in case you listening are like, Wait a minute, I thought there were

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seven chakras, , or more than you are.

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Correct.

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There are, there are many more energy centers in our body than than these five,

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but the five PR primary physical chakras each relate to one of the five element.

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And Ether is related to the throat chakra and that is considered the

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gateway to the upper energy centers.

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So just listening to you, if I were to riff off of that for

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a minute, ether is the place, the transformer between spirit and form, like

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as source energy comes in through the crown chakra into our chakric system.

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Ether is that gateway.

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I love when you say gateway.

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It's one of my favorite words, and I think about etheric energy as

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the spark or the initiation or the invocation or invitation from Spirit.

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That would inspire us to go out into the world and become expressed

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or become manifest to make change, to do something, to honor spirit,

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ultimately, to go out and be in this world in a way that serves ourselves,

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our brothers and sisters, that brings something of source energy to fruition.

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. Amanda Lux: How's that?

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I think that's perfect.

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We're discussing ether and the space between things and how, you know, I guess

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this is a good moment to bring in sort of the general cultural relationship that

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we have to space and to the pause between moments, between movements of our life.

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There isn't a lot of honoring of the transitions or of the beginnings before.

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The beginnings, even what's in the field before you embark on a new thing, right?

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That's the ether what's in the field of your life, of your mind, of your

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spirit, before you begin to create something there's not a lot of

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ceremony in general, in most modern culture, , that honoring of that.

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Initial spark and ether is sort of that, the hoop of the wheel, right?

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So it also embodies the the final ending as well when, when something goes all the

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way through from the ether to the air, to the fire, to the water, to the earth, and

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finally is in physical form, and then it changes again and goes back to the ether.

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And that's our life cycle.

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And that's the life cycle of every creation.

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And.

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What we teach in polarity is that energy cannot be created or destroyed, right?

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That's a Einstein quote, I believe.

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Um, it's always transforming, so as soon as something has its full expression and

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is comes to the end of its expression, it, it just changes form, and that's

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what we do in our lives as well.

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How do we honor the beginning and the end?

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And even more interestingly to me in the moment is how do we honor the space

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between the beginning and the end?

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? How do we honor that etheric moment where we are between things where

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we're not what we were and we're not yet what we're becoming, where we

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haven't yet had the new idea, but we've let go of something that was.

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What?

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What do we do in that place when we're sort of free falling or we're

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just suspended and we're not moving at all and there's just nothing.

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I have a thought about that.

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. I bet you do.

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we listen.

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Mm-hmm.

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, it's a quality of Ether is about listening, and it's like, I'll

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tell you where this brought me.

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It brought me to, again, a teaching that came from one of my teachers, Heather

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Principe, and she speaks about the moment of creation when we're talking about a

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human being coming into creation, talking about when the sperm and the egg meet,

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and that moment where in the ethers our.

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Hear that spark of creation that happens and we hear that as our song.

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Our song is being played, and we have that choice to come and follow

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our song and come into creation and we, you know, you have to be

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listening if you wanna hear your song.

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Right.

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And I just kind of like think about, we were just talking too, you're talking

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about this evolutionary process.

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An evolutionary process, how there's the begin the space before everything begins.

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The space where if you're quiet and you're still, and you hear your song,

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you can come in and then you come in and you do this whole thing and you, you

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do this thing called a life a lifetime.

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And then at the end of your life, there's a stillness that comes too, where

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you're gonna hear your call back to.

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and it is very much like this space between like, okay, we're alive as

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a human being, and then there's this liminal space, and then we have this

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transformational process called death where we then move into a different

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form and we have all of the experiences that came through in this lifetime.

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So we're.

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We, we have a different frequency than when we came in as a thought.

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You know, I speak that and I'm not sure if that's true, but I

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have a thought that that's true.

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We've just gone through something, a transformational piece, picked up

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some things, let go of some things.

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And you know, it's a kind of an interesting thing.

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If you think about our culture and you think about our

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resistance to death typically.

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, we have a little, you know, we have fear of death in our culture and at

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that is, I would say at the root of the fear of pausing in our lives.

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Like the same idea of slowing down, stopping being, still, being with

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the nothingness, doing the nothing like, I think that that's a little bit

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intimidating to many of us in our world.

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Like what happens if we're just still quiet and.

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what Will we have to hear

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? Amanda Lux: Right.

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Good point.

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, I love so much that you brought in the life cycle in polarity when we talk about

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either when we teach about either as an element, as an entity, as a quality,

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as a way Ether has both a positive and negative pull as all of the elements do,

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as everything does, and in the positive pull of Ether is that blissful, euphoric

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experience of oneness with everything and in the negative pull of Ether is grief.

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and I think grief is something that is becoming a lot more

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talked about in our culture.

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I think it hasn't been talked about, there hasn't been space for

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it for a really, really long time.

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And that as we consider how we relate to death or how we relate to pausing

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between things to sit and take them in.

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Then oftentimes we have to meet grief.

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, you know, and it's right there next to the euphoric experience of oneness.

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They're right next to each other.

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They're not, the opposite poles are are like on a circle where the one end

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meets the other all the way around.

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They're not far.

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And so it's an interesting non-linear journey and.

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I don't know.

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I have, I have a lot of thoughts about that, about grief, but I, I'm

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gonna pass it back to you and just see what you, what you have to say, Kim.

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Well, I'll tell you what kind of came to me is

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that it's, it's a thought that just coming here and incarnating

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carries a certain amount of grief.

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As we come into a more dense form and we separate, if you wanna say that word, it

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doesn't feel right, but whatever level of separation we have from Source Energy, as

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we come and become more in a human body, in a human form, and we meet the draws

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and the the density of this world and that there's such a deep, longing to go back

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to source, to kind of release ourselves from the heaviness of this place.

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. Really, you get to feel the oneness or you will feel the longing.

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Right.

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And I think too about substances in our world and I think about

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how alcohol and drugs, anything that brings us to a, a high.

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In some way, shape, or form are a way of trying to reconnect to source energy too,

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to like be in the ethers, to be higher, to be shedding the heaviness of this world.

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And I think that this is, again, one of those things where if we do take these

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pauses, if we do take these places of the space in between, if we do give

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ourselves moments and even days, Of time to just be able to allow ourselves to

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have our E it opens up the possibility to make relationship to these two poles.

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Hmm.

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Beautiful.

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Right.

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I do wanna interject here and just give a little plug for the fact that

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you're offering a retreat in January, 2023, and I would wanna invite you to

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just speak to, in case you listening are like coming to this before that

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date and you might be interested, but also just as a mind blowing, you

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know, little invitation to consider this in your life in whatever form.

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So, speak about your retreat.

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I would love to speak about my retreat and I wanna just talk

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to you and tell you a small story here of how, where this retreat came to me and.

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, It was in a vision quest.

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I actually spent four days out on the land alone with nothing

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to do, no reading, no writing, no food, no water, just me, right?

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Doing this thing that we're talking about, taking space from

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the craziness of my life, from the busyness of my life to make relation.

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And I do regularly take four days of silence.

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I don't do it to the extent of no food.

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And, you know, this is, this was a held ceremony with my teacher

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, and for me, what came up was giving

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the time after I've completed something.

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to honor it, to not just jump onto the very next thing.

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Cuz usually I'll be doing that before the last thing's over.

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You know, I'm already on the next thing and so that's normal.

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Like in our culture, I don't know if it's normal to nature, but I would say that

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we all have a little bit of a challenge of just pausing after, you know, you can

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do this from your dinner, you can pause after eating dinner and allow yourself

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five minutes to just be with the meal.

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You just.

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And you can be in a space of blessing the nourishment that has

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just come through your system.

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This is a way to, a simple way to make relation to your e in

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your, your etheric energy in your life, or to cultivate it more.

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And so back to my vision quest as I was on the land, I.

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Had this thought come through about holding a retreat,

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which is something that I do.

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I, I love holding retreats.

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This retreat was inspired by taking space though.

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And so in the native world, they talk about the four directions and the.

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How they relate to the four seasons too.

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And so if you take this northern door, which would also be the winter, and

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you think about what happens in nature during the northern door and everything

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goes down, there's hibernation.

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We get still, we go and get resourced.

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We take naps.

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We should like, You know, that's a thought, right?

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But nature, that's what happens is that there's not a lot of movement.

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We're not doing anything new.

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We're relaxing.

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We're, we're resting.

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We're taking the space between the fall and the spring.

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And the spring is the place of the new, But in the winter months, it's

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the place of the non-doing, just being.

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If you're a seed, you're just waiting underground to crack.

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You're not doing.

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And so I thought to myself, you know, what about holding a retreat

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where the invitation is to just come and be in that space with others?

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Be in this space of unplugging, of not needing to respond to your

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phone or to your boss, or to your spouse, or your children or your

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partner, and just being and taking.

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of yourself, Like eating what feels right, doing what feels right, and most like, I

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don't know if this is most importantly, but I feel like it's something that,

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you know, again, just doesn't get its space in our world, especially as adults.

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I wanted to invite play, and I wanted to.

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, just say, Let's laugh.

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Like, you know, we do all this work on ourselves.

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We go inward.

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We are doing the hero's journey.

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We're tuning into the places that need healing and the things that

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need to get met in our lives.

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Well, what is it like to just sit around and maybe play a game and laugh with

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each other and you know, go to bed as early or as late as you want, and really

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just tuning into you the being of.

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Hmm.

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I love that.

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So just to say, Coming out of a pause for the podcast itself, , , I

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didn't know how long the pause would need to be, but I knew I needed a

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little break and I had an idea that I would start at the beginning of fall,

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but we had a really long summer here in the Pacific Northwest and fall.

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Really, just started . And that's when I was like, Oh, it's time.

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It's time to pick this up again.

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I was hearing the, the soul of the podcast speak to me and suddenly I was

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inspired, but I kept thinking throughout this, few months that has gone by

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where I have not put out an episode.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:03

, what will happen if I take a break?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:06

Will it die?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:07

Will it go away?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:08

Will it be hard to pick it back up?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:10

What will happen if I step away?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:13

What will happen to me?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:14

What will happen to the podcast?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:15

Will it stick around?

Amanda Lux: 00:24:17

Will the spirit of this creative thing, you know, continue to choose

Amanda Lux: 00:24:22

me to move through ? I wasn't really totally sure, but I just knew I

Amanda Lux: 00:24:27

had to honor my own need for space.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:33

Yeah, so I did, you know, and part of that came through my dreams too.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:36

I just heard it in my dreams.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:37

It was time to close the computer.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:40

It was time to reengage in my teaching in a more in-person way.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:46

It was time to start running outside more and just doing some things

Amanda Lux: 00:24:53

differently than I was doing them.

Amanda Lux: 00:24:55

And in addition to pausing the podcast I also heard that it was time

Amanda Lux: 00:25:02

to transition the membership and my entire platform for the Elevation.

Amanda Lux: 00:25:09

Hive Dreamwork community with its own app and all of these courses and

Amanda Lux: 00:25:14

forums that I had developed and poured myself into for the last two years, it

Amanda Lux: 00:25:19

suddenly was telling me that it was time.

Amanda Lux: 00:25:26

So there's the flush of the toilet

Amanda Lux: 00:25:30

. Kim Pinckley: That's so on point.

Amanda Lux: 00:25:33

I don't

Amanda Lux: 00:25:34

know if the mic picked that up, but right as I said that

Amanda Lux: 00:25:36

suddenly there was this flushing of a toilet in the in the background.

Amanda Lux: 00:25:41

From who knows where, The proverbial toilet just got flushed, so I flushed

Amanda Lux: 00:25:45

it all down the toilet and everything I made, everything I created, I pulled

Amanda Lux: 00:25:51

the plug, you know, and I said goodbye.

Amanda Lux: 00:25:55

And it was one of the most like intense grieving processes.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:00

It's been really, really sad because to me, providing a space

Amanda Lux: 00:26:05

for people to share their dreams.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:08

and come together regularly to create art from their dreams and to learn

Amanda Lux: 00:26:14

about dream work and energy medicine, you know, from anywhere in the world

Amanda Lux: 00:26:19

has always been really important to me.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:21

It's for a very long time, it's been my dream, but I was hearing

Amanda Lux: 00:26:25

that it was time to take a pause.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:27

It needed to transition, and I could have resisted that very easily.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:33

I could have said, No, I've built this thing.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:36

I wanna keep it going.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:38

, but I just had to honor the movement of the, soul of this project and this thing.

Amanda Lux: 00:26:45

And so in the midst of the pause of the podcast, I also closed down the

Amanda Lux: 00:26:49

membership and I let it transition into something new, They say that when

Amanda Lux: 00:27:09

someone dies, there's this window of time,

Amanda Lux: 00:27:12

? Where it's not time to get

Amanda Lux: 00:27:15

? And then finally you get rid of the body, but the soul's doing its work.

Amanda Lux: 00:27:18

In many, many cultures throughout history, there are sacred processes to hold that

Amanda Lux: 00:27:24

space for those who are transition.

Amanda Lux: 00:27:28

, maybe not so much in this culture now, currently in this day and age, but

Amanda Lux: 00:27:33

some of those are being remembered and.

Amanda Lux: 00:27:35

Reenacted rejuvenated brought back, thankfully, , respectfully.

Amanda Lux: 00:27:41

And, , we're starting to get more consciousness , we're

Amanda Lux: 00:27:45

starting to learn that babies have feelings when they're born.

Amanda Lux: 00:27:48

They can actually feel pain

Amanda Lux: 00:27:49

you know, we, they didn't even know, you know, at that point there wasn't

Amanda Lux: 00:27:53

the consciousness that babies feel things and that maybe we feel things

Amanda Lux: 00:27:57

after , we go and leave this body, you know, maybe it's not in the physical.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:01

We're feeling them in different ways.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:03

There's different reverberations the energy goes through and maybe it's not

Amanda Lux: 00:28:06

always the same, but there are processes.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:09

So I feel like I'm in that place with the hive.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:11

It.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:13

, I'm honoring the process of the death of that thing that was, and I'm listening,

Amanda Lux: 00:28:21

you know, I'm really listening.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:23

How does it want to be reborn?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:25

How does it want to take new form and what is the course of its carmic

Amanda Lux: 00:28:33

journey or whatever it is, you know, that's that, that creative spark.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:38

How does it wanna keep.

Amanda Lux: 00:28:40

And how can I foster that?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:42

How can I be of service to that?

Amanda Lux: 00:28:44

But more importantly than even asking those questions, there's the, just

Amanda Lux: 00:28:49

sitting with it, being gone and feeling the hole where that place was, where

Amanda Lux: 00:28:56

I used to have a place to share dreams and to read others' dreams every morning

Amanda Lux: 00:29:01

when I woke up and that place is gone.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:04

And rather than filling it with something, I've really been sitting

Amanda Lux: 00:29:09

with that, sitting with my own dreams in the silence of my morning and

Amanda Lux: 00:29:14

sitting with the emptiness of not having others to share them with and

Amanda Lux: 00:29:19

honoring the grief and that hole, , that place was filled up with beauty and

Amanda Lux: 00:29:25

connection and, and it isn't now you.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:31

And there have been moments where I could, touch it and I could say,

Amanda Lux: 00:29:34

Ugh, it hurts . It really hurts.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:39

And then, but then I don't have to label it that because in the

Amanda Lux: 00:29:42

next moment it's joyful because I'm free to do other things.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:48

That energy is still moving through me.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:50

It's just moving in different directions.

Amanda Lux: 00:29:53

and I can also be in that quiet stillness and just be curious with it,

Amanda Lux: 00:29:59

you know, and observe the hole that that place used to fill up for me.

Amanda Lux: 00:30:06

And I know that everything is in a constant state of

Amanda Lux: 00:30:09

transformation, so it's not over.

Amanda Lux: 00:30:13

And I certainly know that my mission of being of service on the planet,

Amanda Lux: 00:30:20

Bringing people's dreams and awareness around energy and sharing these sacred

Amanda Lux: 00:30:26

practices and, , ways of living and perceiving are, they're not going away.

Amanda Lux: 00:30:34

And I'll keep doing that, but I don't know yet what it'll look like.

Amanda Lux: 00:30:37

So I love that you're doing that retreat, Kim, and that I appreciate you coming

Amanda Lux: 00:30:43

onto the podcast and helping me initiate this pick it back up because I heard in

Amanda Lux: 00:30:49

the quiet space between what was and what hasn't yet become that new thing.

Amanda Lux: 00:30:55

I heard that it was time to talk to this, to like, to give this voice , to inspire.

Amanda Lux: 00:31:02

Maybe for the listeners out there who are listening, who are listening to

Amanda Lux: 00:31:08

their own energy, who are listening to our collective energies to inspire that

Amanda Lux: 00:31:15

appreciation for the space between things.

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:20

Oh, my , oh my goodness.

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:23

I really just have to take a minute and really honor that whole piece.

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:30

There's something about.

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:34

, just where you started with this, like the, the little

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:37

fears, like what will it be?

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:40

What will I be, will spirit still talk to me in the same way?

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:44

Is it gonna come through if I let this go?

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:49

And, you know, I, I frequently relate ether to this idea

Kim Pinckley: 00:31:55

of floating in space and to.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:02

Vastness.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:04

The infinite possibility.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:08

The clean slate.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:11

And . The vastness like the untethered.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:18

Like, which way will it go?

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:20

Which way will I float off into, and for how long and for how far will I

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:25

just keep going and going and going out into space and to consciously and

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:35

willingly go into that place is a thing.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:40

And I heard so many, I heard you just speak to all of the qualities of either,

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:44

I mean, I can tell you I heard listening and I heard space and I heard freedom

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:53

and I heard grief and I heard, I heard my version of your connection to spirit.

Kim Pinckley: 00:32:59

I heard solitude.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:02

I heard, you know, I think that might cover like most of the.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:07

of Ether, and it's a beautiful story and it's a beautiful journey.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:11

Me sitting here, getting to watch it with you, witness be with you,

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:15

and to some degree, , even if it's just, , in witness and, hmm.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:23

Again, I just, I really, really honor your willingness to go there and that

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:27

for me, , talking about this with you, with this subject with you, , that I, I

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:32

would hope that there's an inspiration that comes from this piece for all of us.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:37

To just take a little bit of a deep dive into outer space, , , and

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:43

just be there and see where it goes, and see what happens.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:46

And being able to have, This is another one faith, you know?

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:50

Mm-hmm.

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:50

, just tuning to your, to your source, to your relationship

Kim Pinckley: 00:33:55

with your creator in the floating emptiness that has such possibility.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:06

Yeah.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:07

Oh my gosh, Kim, you totally like sparked something when you were just

Amanda Lux: 00:34:11

speaking to that, but I suddenly had this thought that like, the

Amanda Lux: 00:34:16

positive and negative pole.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:19

, that they're all inclusive.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:20

That we can't really experience one without the other.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:23

That the entirety of our experience is meant to contain them all.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:28

Right?

Amanda Lux: 00:34:29

And we have this aversion.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:30

We as in sort of culturally there is an idea that it's, we don't wanna

Amanda Lux: 00:34:35

go to the negative poles of things.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:37

You know, We don't wanna be in grief or we don't wanna be in.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:42

And yet I thought about this and how for the negative and positive

Amanda Lux: 00:34:46

pull of the earth . So the ether is the fifth element, right?

Amanda Lux: 00:34:52

The fifth chakra, the throat, and that's the beginning of spirit coming into form.

Amanda Lux: 00:34:57

And it moves down through each of these elements into denser and

Amanda Lux: 00:35:01

denser qualities or frequencies until it reaches the earth plane.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:05

And that's our root chakra and the.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:08

The positive and negative is fear and courage and oh my goodness, you can't

Amanda Lux: 00:35:15

have courage without fear because courage is not the absence of fear, right?

Amanda Lux: 00:35:20

It's about, you know, facing our fears.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:24

It's being afraid and doing something.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:27

and that feeling of oneness and connection with all things is not

Amanda Lux: 00:35:32

about not grieving or not having grief.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:35

It's about moving through grief.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:37

It's incorporating grief and the, and the longing.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:41

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:41

It's, it's, it's all of that.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:43

Right?

Amanda Lux: 00:35:44

So that, I don't know.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:45

I just had this, uh, this great feeling that, that full body

Amanda Lux: 00:35:50

epiphenal feeling of just how.

Amanda Lux: 00:35:54

in those moments when we don't resist the negative pull of something and

Amanda Lux: 00:35:58

we really just welcome it how we get to have this ecstatic, wonderful,

Amanda Lux: 00:36:03

joyful experience of grief.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:05

Even like I loved my grieving.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:08

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:09

, right?

Amanda Lux: 00:36:09

These months of grieving or these weeks of grieving, you know, I mean

Amanda Lux: 00:36:13

literally the platform just poof, disappeared yesterday officially.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:19

I came to a close a few weeks ago.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:22

It was really just literally yesterday that it disappeared.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:26

That the, if you go to that website now, there's just nothing.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:30

It'll say there's nothing here.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:32

It's in the ether.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:33

But like sitting with that and really going into that feeling

Amanda Lux: 00:36:37

of the, ugh, this is so sad.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:40

Or to the, to the non-existence of a.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:45

and welcoming that, grieving and welcoming the emptiness or welcoming the fear.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:49

If we can welcome the fear with trust or with faith or with.

Amanda Lux: 00:36:55

Maybe some neutrality.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:00

Can I please?

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:02

So I just love this.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:04

Like, you, you can never make it up, right?

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:06

This, this evolutionary process of energy.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:09

We, we've spoken about it a few times about how the energy becomes

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:13

more and more dense as you come down from spirit to matter.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:18

And then we spoke a little bit about how once you hit the.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:22

Yes, there's that idea that the energy then transforms and comes

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:26

back into the ether element, right?

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:28

It's, it's transmuted or however you wanna like be with that idea.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:32

And I hear that if we speak to the positive, like another way to look

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:38

at the positive and negative polls of Ether with there being this idea

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:44

that at one poll it is invocation.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:49

Inspiration inception, and at the other poll it's integration.

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:55

And I just heard you come through this whole piece and just talking

Kim Pinckley: 00:37:59

about how to just be accepting of the quote unquote negative, Right?

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:06

How to be with the grief, and what that comes to for me is you've integr.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:15

this piece in your life.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:16

And you know, this whole idea of being able to go to the website now.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:22

And see this piece and make relationship to that and go on with your day.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:28

Yeah.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:29

You know, not like in a way of dismissiveness or I'm not gonna deal

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:32

with that right now, but of inclusion.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:35

Right.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:35

And that is integration.

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:38

And integration again, is something that I think we fight in this world

Kim Pinckley: 00:38:41

because it it, it absolutely involves us being able to be with both poles.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:01

I think one of my favorite tools within Polarity is to really

Amanda Lux: 00:39:05

be able to see that continuum.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:08

Mm-hmm.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:08

and witness that continuum from a place of neutrality.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:12

Witnessing myself in the negative poll and the grieving there and

Amanda Lux: 00:39:16

the hole in my heart and the empty webpage that comes up when I type in

Amanda Lux: 00:39:20

my, you know, it makes me wanna cry.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:23

Right.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:24

But I can be with that simultaneously on the same continuum as the joy

Amanda Lux: 00:39:29

and excitement and freedom and who knows what's next and the space.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:35

I have to get up and do something else , right?

Amanda Lux: 00:39:40

Instead of get on my computer, which I was really craving, ? I just was

Amanda Lux: 00:39:43

so busy, ? And at the same time, I'm missing that, I'm longing for that,

Amanda Lux: 00:39:49

but I'm also so joyful about it.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:51

So yeah, that continuum, the simultaneous experience of both

Amanda Lux: 00:39:55

ends, it's a really ecstatic thing.

Amanda Lux: 00:39:58

It really is.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:00

It's like when you're, when you start laughing really hard and suddenly you

Amanda Lux: 00:40:04

start crying and sobbing and then you start laughing really hard cuz you're

Amanda Lux: 00:40:08

crying and sobbing and then you cry some more and it's like . Do you know

Amanda Lux: 00:40:12

that thing, that hysterical place?

Amanda Lux: 00:40:16

Maybe that's just me.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:18

. Kim Pinckley: I love it.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:18

No, I know what you

Amanda Lux: 00:40:19

mean.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:21

But like, can we do that, you know, in a conscious way, be with the

Amanda Lux: 00:40:25

cry, be with the laugh, be with the forgetting what you were crying or

Amanda Lux: 00:40:29

laughing about, be, be with all of those aspects in a sort of simultaneous.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:35

I think the more what we practice, then the more simultaneous it becomes.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:39

That's how it's been for me.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:42

And now I just love that I can hold space for myself to, to have those processes.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:46

And it doesn't have to define.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:49

. You know, I can say, Oh, I'm grieving, but that doesn't mean that's all I am.

Amanda Lux: 00:40:53

I'm just having an experience of grieving, simultaneous to loving my

Amanda Lux: 00:41:00

life, you know, and loving myself and loving the space and the possibility.

Amanda Lux: 00:41:06

So Maybe for the listeners out there wherever you are in your

Amanda Lux: 00:41:10

journey on your healer's journey, , I invite you to try that on in your

Amanda Lux: 00:41:17

own way, whatever that is for you.

Amanda Lux: 00:41:19

And maybe you already.

Amanda Lux: 00:41:22

and you have your own wisdom around it.

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:33

That piece about being with the fear or the uncomfort of going

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:38

into that space, in the deeper way?

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:41

You know, it's, it is, It's an evolutionary process.

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:44

It's something that I've certainly met in different ways before, and a

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:47

lot of times, especially with grief, it's not something that you ask for.

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:52

Like it comes and you have to deal.

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:57

Right.

Kim Pinckley: 00:41:57

You don't have a choice sometimes, you know when you lose people in your life.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:00

Right.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:01

And so there's been times where I've had to meet it like that.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:04

And there's some things, like I said, just so for me, so powerful about

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:08

you talking about going into this space when you didn't have to mm-hmm.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:12

like you chose to, you chose to do this thing for yourself.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:17

And that is inspiring to me, and I'm really hearing that

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:23

and listening to it and tuning.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:26

And grateful for your share cuz I'm tuning into that energy of it and

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:34

That's what I can speak to right now , I just really have such an honoring

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:37

for you to show up to that by choice.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:41

And it's a big deal.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:43

Hm.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:43

And I also hear this piece too, that I think about your grief that

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:48

you spoke to around your process.

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:51

And under my understanding of polarity, my understanding of the

Kim Pinckley: 00:42:55

universal truths is the amount of energy that is in that grief.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:00

It is impossible that there isn't the same amount of energy in the positive.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:06

Like that's what we're talking about, this continuing this, this positive and

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:09

negative, and the inclusion of the all.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:12

And this idea of like how do you be with that?

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:18

How do you sign up for that?

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:20

Right?

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:20

How do you sign up for being in love with your grief?

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:23

And when I hear that, I think about how much love you had for the thing that

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:26

you lost or that you chose to let go of or whatever the context was, right?

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:32

And that they are absolutely equal.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:35

and you can't escape that.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:37

And if you couldn't have one, you couldn't have the other.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:39

It's like that age ageless saying, Right.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:43

And.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:45

For some reason it feels like harder to be with this than like, Oh, if you don't have

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:49

night, then you don't have day . Right?

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:51

This is a little bit more intense.

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:53

And so I just, again, for me, with you right now in this space, it's

Kim Pinckley: 00:43:57

an honoring and, , I wanna just tell you that I'm inspired and thank you

Kim Pinckley: 00:44:01

for bringing me here and sharing your story and allowing me to speak

Kim Pinckley: 00:44:05

and articulate and move through my process even just a little bit more.

Kim Pinckley: 00:44:09

Mm.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:09

Thank you.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:10

Mm.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:11

Thank you so much Kim.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:12

That like really, really touches me so deeply.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:17

And I've also just, you know, to say like I have totally gathered inspiration from

Amanda Lux: 00:44:24

observing you and your walk with Ether and space and just our conversations

Amanda Lux: 00:44:29

or my observations of your life and how you do that and how you speak.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:37

and it was definitely your voice in my ear when I was like, Oh, I wanna do this.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:44

It's time . First of all, I could hear the podcast speaking, but

Amanda Lux: 00:44:49

it was like Kim in there too.

Amanda Lux: 00:44:51

Like, Oh, Ether, . How do we honor that space?

Amanda Lux: 00:44:56

How do we do the stillness?

Amanda Lux: 00:44:59

How do we do the non-doing?

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How do we do that and how do we.

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better.

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You know, how do we do that as a practice, with commitment to it?

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And for me, I, I think anybody that knows me, I'm a.

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Doer, like, whoa.

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Both of us are actually . We're both very like fire constitution,

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air fire going for it.

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And somehow you're anchoring that ether finding balance.

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And it's just totally magnificent how you're doing life and how you're doing

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the non-doing in between and within.

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Right?

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And we kind of get to that place too.

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If we practice, I think we can practice that even while we're

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running from thing to thing.

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We're holding that space for ourselves, right?

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Even when we're in the moment of deep grief, we're experiencing ecstatic joy.

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, ? That's the practice is how can we hold it all and how do we be with nothing?

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Aho,

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You know, just that.

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That's just that

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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.

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participating in this episode of a Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine.

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May this deepen your own inquiry and exploration of your energy and your

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soul's path, and I am so, so grateful to be in sacred community with you.